Keep ’Em the Hall Out
Players who should not get in
By Walt Baranger
Here are under-qualified or scofflaw players who are sometimes mentioned as overlooked candidates for the National Baseball Hall of Fame, along with brief arguments against membership:
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David Cone
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Cone has an impressive list of accomplishments: Pitching for the Yankees against Montreal in 1999, he threw the first perfect game of interleague play. He struck out 19 batters during a game in 1991. He won the Cy Young Award in 1994 and was a five-time All-Star. But Cone lacks stellar career statistics. He didn’t even win 200 games, and only twice won 20 games. True, he was 5-0 in World Series play and 12-3 overall in the post-season, but he’s not in the top 20 in career strikeouts. In his eight seasons with 30 or more starts, his average record is just 14-10. New Yorkers tend to remember Cone’s standout years with the Mets and Yankees, but he had just too many unremarkable seasons to reach the Hall of Fame.
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Steve Garvey
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The Dodgers and Padres star did set the National League record for consecutive games played (1,207) and most most consecutive errorless games by an infielder (183). But Cal Ripken’s famous streak was more more than twice as long, and for having played all those games Garvey doesn’t even come close to holding any career batting records. He was an excellent first baseman who played in a very good Dodgers infield during the 1970s and ’80s, but his individual achievements don’t rank him in the top tier.
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Tommy John
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One of the favorite pastimes of Yankees fans is advocating Tommy John for the Hall of Fame. Sinkerballers are fan favorites because they tend to have long careers, and John pitched for all or part of 26 seasons beginning in 1963. But in all that time, he was unable to win 300 games or even come close to a .600 career winning percentage. His lifetime earned run average is good but not outstanding compared to his peers. He won four games and lost five in post-season play, and he never won a Cy Young Award. Most importantly, he won 20 or more games only three times and won 15 games or more games a grand total of just five times. Today he is perhaps best known for successfully undergoing a novel surgical procedure known as ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction, now commonly called Tommy John surgery. If anything, his physicians should be in the Hall of Fame.
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Bowie Kuhn [inducted 2007; see our essay on Kuhn’s shortcomings]
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As a matter of principle, we believe that it is wrong to elect former baseball commissioners or any other baseball executives into the Hall of Fame. Aside from the obviously huge effect that any commissioner has on the teams and players — thus making the Hall of Fame vote superfluous — it places him in a curious position: As retirement nears, is the commissioner tempted to curry favor with those who will shortly vote on membership? In his waning weeks, is he more worried about alienating Hall of Fame voters (who are almost all former players) than making sound decisions that might favor the owners or others? Will the public question the commissioner’s motivations? Better to just automatically induct every commissioner and be done with it.
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Don Larsen
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If not for pitching a perfect game for the New York Yankees in the 1956 World Series, Don Larsen would be but a footnote in baseball lore. Over his career Larsen won just 81 games while losing 91, and he lost a league-leading 21 games in 1954 — the only time he led the league in anything. He was named Most Valuable Player of the 1956 series, and followed up with a decent 10-4 record (but a mediocre 3.74 earned run average) in 1957. He was never a major factor again; by 1960 he was 1-10 with the dreadful Kansas City Athletics. But Larsen had one lasting effect on the Yankees: The 1959 multi-player trade that sent him to the A’s also sent Roger Maris to the Yankees.
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Roger Maris
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Records with asterisks aside, Roger Maris was a two-time Most Valuable Player whose career lacks the longevity normally associated with Hall of Fame outfielders. He played in more than 100 games in only nine seasons (and exactly 100 games once), and as a consequence ended his career without anything close to Hall of Fame career statistics. His fielding percentage was average for an outfielder, and except for 1960 to 1962 his home run production was not in the top five in the league. It was the 1961 home run derby with Mickey Mantle that gave Maris his reputation, and it was Ford Frick who gave him his asterisk. Neither are credentials for the Hall of Fame.
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Don Mattingly
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Mattingly was the New York Yankees’ star first baseman in the 1980s and ’90s, but lacks a critical mass of games played and career statistics. He has only 10 seasons with 100 or more appearances (and one of those was just 102 games). Despite a Most Valuable Player award in 1985 and a five-season streak of batting above .310, his later career tailed off considerably. After a streak of six straight All-Star appearances ended in 1989, he batted over .300 just once — in the strike-shortened 1994 season. He earned an impressive nine Gold Glove awards, but holds no significant career records and he lacked offensive consistency.
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Mark McGwire
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Better living through chemistry. Enough said.
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Thurman Munson
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A fine New York Yankees catcher in the 1970s, Munson was killed in a plane crash at age 32. He is primarily remembered for having committed just one error while catching in 117 games in 1971. But he played only nine full seasons, and despite seven All-Star games and a Most Valuable Player award, he lacks any semblance of Hall of Fame career statistics — either offensive or defensive. Munson died too young to earn the long-term statistical breakthrough that most modern Hall of Famers achieve.
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Tim Raines
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His best years were at Montreal in the 1980s, but they shouldn’t be good enough for the Hall of Fame. Raines reached none of the usual career benchmarks in hitting and never came close to being elected Most Valuable Player. He was a good, but not great, outfielder. He started in only two All-Star games and admitted that he favored sliding head first because he was afraid of breaking the cocaine pipe in his back pocket. He appeared in one serious World Series bid but made no lasting impression, getting just 11 hits in 13 post-season games; he batted a paltry .214 in the 1996 World Series. Raines was one of the best base stealers ever, compiling an 85% success rate and finishing 5th in career stolen bases with 808, but his lack of excellence at the plate coupled with serious health problems — injuries and cocaine — kept him from compiling standout stats over the long term. For all his stolen bases, Raines scored 724 fewer runs than his contemporary rival, Ricky Henderson. Still, Raines is often mentioned as a leading Hall of Fame candidate. We don’t know why.
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Pete Rose
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For the record: Rose should be on the Hall of Fame ballot. As a general academic principle for any baseball museum, the Hall of Fame should be independent of the Commissioner’s rulings on player eligibility. Rose’s candidacy should be fully debated and put to a vote; he certainly has the statistics and awards to merit consideration. Until all of the facts surrounding his tragic gambling addiction are known, we would not vote for him. But it is wrong to stifle the debate, and the current ban only confers martyrdom status on him. Besides, so what if he gets in? After all, Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker actually did fix a game in 1919, and they’re in.
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Sammy Sosa
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See Mark McGwire. Like all of the so-called Chemistry Majors, Sosa’s eligibility should be suspended until the effects of steroids (and his role in the steroid scandal) are better researched. Once he’s in, he’s in forever.
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Secondly, he didn't have a written confession. He confessed before the Cook County Grand Jury after being coached by Comiskey's lawyer Alfred Austrian, who would not allow Jackson to go out and get his own lawyer. Why? Comiskey was deathly afraid of what Joe Jackson with his own counsel may say before the Grand Jury, that he may indeed tell the Grand Jury that Comiskey knew about the fix after the first game and possibly before the start of the first game. He may tell them that his manager Kid Gleason, under instructions from Commy held a team meeting either after the second game, but no later than the start of the 3rd game to discuss the rumors of the fix. At that point, the cat is out of the bag and Landis' edict of not telling his team is out the window, the team already had heard the rumors. Now, getting back to the testimony, it must be noted that during Joe's civil trial in 1924, in which he sued the White Sox for back pay, the foreman for the 1920 Grand Jury was called to testify. He said that Jackson's "confession" didn't sound to him like a confession of anything, but more of a story a man heard on the street. Another telling tale from that same trial, Commy was called to testify. On the stand he was asked by Joe's lawyer if he (Commy) thought Jackson played dishonest ball. Commy stood to lose a lot of money by telling the truth, after all, this was an opinion type question and Commy could have easily lied and said YES. However, Commy's answer was that he didn't believe Jackson played one play of dishonest ball the entire time he was with the White Sox, including the 1919 World Series. The jury believed Jackson version of the events during that trial (11-1 verdict), overturned and later settled out of court by Commy and the Sox.
Thirdly, the confessions were not stolen in the real sense of the word, they were bought by Arnold Rothstein for Charles Comiskey, to protect Commy's financial investment in his players. Commy knew some of his boys sold him out, yet he offered them contracts for the 1920 season with hefty pay raises (something Commy didn't do....pay raises were not in his vocabulary). Hush money in my opinion, he didn't want the scandal to come to light because it would wreck his team and if the public ever found out what Commy knew and when he knew it, they'd run him out of Chicago on a rail.
Number four, in his "confession" Jackson denies being in on the plot, says he turned them down, but that Gandil comes back to him and basically TELLS Jackson he's IN the plot (It must be known, Jackson never attended any meetings between the players and gamblers and his name was used to the gamblers by his teammate Lefty Williams WITHOUT Jackson's consent). Bill Burns (one of the fixers) said he didn't think Jackson was in on the deal and it became obvious to him when he met Joe in the lobby of the hotel in Cincinnati before Game 1. He says he walked up to Joe and asked him how IT was going and that Joe acted like he didn't know what Burns was talking about. Burns said it became apparent Jackson had no clue and he soon left him to go find Gandil or Cicotte.
I don't feel sorry for Joe Jackson, I simply believe he got a raw deal. I could care less if he is ever elected to the Hall of Fame, but I believe MLB should clear his name from their so-called Ineligible List. Jackson was never banned for life. Landis only banned him from ever playing professional baseball, Jackson never played professional baseball again and if you take the 2 paragraph ruling to the legal letter of the law, Jackson should have been reinstated at such time that he could no longer have competed at the professional level (sometime between 1929 and 1930 for Joe. Obviously that didn't happen and his ban turned into a ban for life and now in perpetuity. Bottom line is, Jackson more than served the sentence handed down by Landis.
Oh...and on a legal note, Weaver can not be reinstated. He is no longer a living entity, we can't reinstate a dead man (only been done twice to my knowledge). The best either Weaver of Jackson can hope for at this point is to have their names cleared and restored by MLB. Now, I can go on for days about Jackson, but I won't bore you, just know that everything Jackson is not as cut and dried as you have portrayed it.
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His written confession is questionable, considering he was illiterate. Whether his testimony in court was made up because he was coerced by his attorney to do so to stay out of jail (not an enobling defense) is also questionable.
The key point is not whether he was acquitted in a trial filled with stolen confessions and other shenanigans, whether he didn't understand the confession he signed, or whether he played to win. He agreed to participate, and took $5,000 - almost a year's pay for him - to do so. He felt guilty about it afterwards - but that doesn't absolve him of the crime. Anyone who does this should not be allowed in the Hall of Fame. Anyone who did something similar in a regular job - and got caught - would be fired on the spot, and would probably do some jail time.
People feel so sorry for this guy, who sounds like he was a good guy overall - people loved him when he went back down South. I feel far worse for Buck Weaver, who refused to participate, and got lumped in with Cicotte and Gandil for life.
Keep Joe Jackson out of the Hall, kick out Comiskey (sorry, but we can't, even if he was a sneaky, dirty jackalope), and reinstate Buck Weaver instead.
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